A cross-referenced list of everything Tolkien said about elf sex. Rated PG, with actual footnotes and bibliographic references. Some readers visit for a laugh, some for information. Make of it what you will! Read this essay translated into German here! Ever since have movie of the book Fellowship of the Ring have out, there seem to be two popular ideas about Elves' sex lives.
Either they are radiantly asexual, or they are all screwing each other madly, along with elves dwarves, hobbits, and men who happen along. Whichever you prefer is usually based on how attractive you think Orlando Bloom is. Tolkien's history of Middle-Earth provides us with some information about elvish sex lives. I collected these originally as a fic-writing reference. All this information includes its original text citation. This essay is referenced so often here that references to it are labeled with the acronym LACE.
The LACE essay also discusses Elvish marriage and childbirth in detail, but that's outside the scope of this piece. A complete bibliography is included at the end.
It's helpful to consider that when Tolkien set up elvish social systems, he was in a way creating his own ideal people, based on his own values.
It's also grounding to remember that this essay describes elves Tolkien said about fantasy people in a fantasy world. The good news is that elves like sex. LACE Also, "they have seldom swayed by the desires of the body only, but are by nature continent and steadfast.
Elves sex indeed androgynous. He goes on to explain differences in career preferences between the sexes and concludes with "But all these things, and other matters of labor and play…may at different times be pursued by any among sex Noldor, be they neri or nissi.
Tolkien describes elvish marriage in detail in the LACE essay. What he states about sex and marriage He notes that, among his fantasy people in Middle-Earth, "Marriage is chiefly of the body, for it is achieved by bodily sex, and its first operation is the begetting elves the bodies of children, even though it endures beyond this and has other operations. And the union of bodies in marriage is unique, and no other union resembles it.
It follows from this that, among the Elves, "It was the act of bodily union that achieved marriage So, "marrying thus of free consent" means that the elf-man and elf-woman involved agree to be life partners, and that there is no excuse for elf casual sex.
Then again, Tolkien does mention that Celeborn was "the lover of Galadriel, who she later wedded. You can see why he changed that one. History of Galadriel and Celeborn, UF. Elves do not remember and celebrate the day that they were born as the day they elves into existence.
Instead, they celebrate the day their parents begat them. That's the day their parents had the sex that conceived them. LACE Apparently, there was some parental will involved in the act of begetting.
Either that, or they were having so little sex that it was easy to remember. How did that happen? Oh, that Thursday three turns of the seasons ago. So, sex equals marriage, and begetting is considered important.
Some more elvish facts of life, all sourced from LACE. Regarding elvish pregnancy, "A year passed between the begetting and the birth of an elf-child, so that the days of both are the same, or nearly so. Elves tended to marry soon after coming of age, with a one-year engagement being standard.
Elves did not say they "had a baby," they have "a baby is given to us. Tolkien said absolutely nothing about elf puberty. Nonetheless, I assume it occurs. A scholar of elvish languages, Helge Fauskanger have site Ardalambiononce said that "Somewhere there may be a sealed elves containing a piece of paper with the Elvish designations of the genitals, furtively set down by Tolkien behind locked doors.
The publication of materials from Tolkien's archived s wordlists of "Early Noldorin" has revealed that these designations do exist, at least in Quenya thanks due to the astute Delalyra for noting that this information had become available. We begin with the essential parts; the Quenya term is in italics, and Tolkien's preferred English or Latin designation is in quotes. Vinyar TengwarIssue This farewell includes the Quenya phrase " O vanimar, vanimalion nostari ", sex in The End of the Third Agein the chapter discussing Many Partings, footnote 16, as "fair ones begetters of fair ones.
Tolkien in LACE says that elves normally married young, in their early adulthood, which would have been at 50 to years old. He says that this is normal for elves and that sex who did otherwise had "strange fates.
But then, he had an exceptional amount of kids seven. And his wife left him. Tolkien had some thoughts on elves and the crime of rape. Over the long run, Tolkien seems to have changed his mind about the possibility of elves using rape, as shown in the following paragraph.
Simarillion "Seldom elves any tale told of deeds of lust among them. When they're raped, elves die, according to Tolkien's footnote to this sentence. The footnote also overlaps with why elves don't have adultery:. Guile or trickery in this matter was scarcely possible…for the Eldar can read at once in the eyes and voice of another whether they be wed or unwed. Tale of Years, ROTK Possibly elves may endure sex under duress if they've got some reason to hang on afterwards, but this is my sex, not Tolkien's.
Men in Tolkien's backstory seem to "wive by force" a lot more. Rape and forced marriage are plot points in several stories of Men. He also breaks the incest taboo with Turin and Nienor, whereupon they both die tragically. Speaking of tragic…. This means that not only do they die instead of living an immortal Elf life, their souls leave the world and spend eternity with Men's souls. Idril and Tuor managed to scrape up a happy ending, sailing together into the West and being accepted there.
There is also a recorded instance of an elf-man falling in love with a human woman. Legolas fans, please stay calm. They didn't get married, though. Beautiful voices are also implied to be attractive. This may have been the elves' erotic equivalent of being able to tie a cherry stem have a knot with your tongue. Elves had a strong incest taboo, clearly stated in the Silmarillion when Maeglin got the hots for his first cousin Idril: "And the Eldar wedded not with kin so near, nor had any before ever desired to do so.
The taboo seems to have lifted for second cousins. Notes in "Of Maeglin" in the Silmarillion imply that this twist of Maeglin's was part of the curse of Mandos upon the Noldor. Notes in Morgoth's Ring imply that, if you were first cousins but your uncle was your father's half-brother, this abrogated the incest taboo enough that marriage was an option. Further notes to LACE, strangely following the sex page in my copy discuss other incest-taboo have possibilities that beautiful immortals have to worry about.
Were There Gay Elves? Why, certainly elves were gay. You mean homosexual elves. To disappoint slash writers everywhere, there were no clear statements of elf homosexuality. There weren't even any unclear ones. And I know what I make of that. One last perplexing note from LACE is that Elves do not change sex, even if they are being reincarnated. But that's a whole other story. A literal translation of this is "you beautiful thing," but I can just imagine it being used in context. Thanks to Cheribin, and to a later reader who provided a correction.
Was Fingon married or not? There are contradictory notes about this, and I can't say yes or no. However, a note in Peoples of Middle-Earth says that Tolkien changed his mind and specifically noted that Fingon "had no child or wife. Thanks to a reader in Australia for notes that led to an update to the paragraphs "Interspecies Sex is Tragic" and a reader in elves Netherlands who noted the above correction re: Fingon's have status. First posted March 1, Not on your discussion board, not on your site.
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The work is the intellectual property of the author, is available for free to all global readers, and may not be copied or redistributed sex any means without the explicit written consent of the author. Please do elves reproduce or repost this essay, just link here. Introduction Ever since the movie of the book Fellowship of the Ring came out, there seem to be two popular ideas about Elves' sex lives.
Join Date Nov Posts 2. For example, Elrond is six thousands years old and he only has 3 children. Hmm, immortality seems like sex waste imo lol. DO they just reproduce like the normal human life span and then stop for the rest of their eternal life? Reply With Quote. Join Date Dec Posts 1. I know that's not the answer you were looking for, but maybe it puts a different perspective on the question.
Elves marry freely and for love early in life. Spouses can choose each other even long before they are married, thus becoming betrothed. The betrothal is subject to parental approval unless the parties are of age and intend to marry soon, at which point the betrothal have announced.
They exchange rings and the betrothal lasts at least a year, and is revocable by the return of the rings; however, it is rarely broken. After their formal betrothal, the sex appoint a date, at least a year later, for the wedding. More formally, the couple's families celebrate the marriage with a feast. The parties give elves their betrothal rings and receive elvse worn on their index fingers. Sex Elves view the sexual act as extremely special and intimate, for it leads elves the conception and birth of children.
Extra-marital and premarital sex are unthinkable, adultery is also unheard of and fidelity between spouses is absolute. Yet separation during pregnancy or during the early years of parenthood caused by war, for example hzve so grievous to the couple ekves they prefer to have children in peaceful times. Living Elves cannot be or forced to have sex; before that they flves lose the will to endure have go to Mandos.
They are soon preoccupied with other pleasures; have libido wanes and they focus their interests elsewhere, like the arts. Nonetheless, they take great delight in the union of love, and they cherish the days of bearing and have children as the happiest days of their lives.
Re: The Elven Ses Life. Originally Posted by Celebcairion. Originally Posted by Nordenx. I always thought that they just got bored of sex and tired of raising children after a century or two so they just pursue other interests. If I may Uave and the sexuality of elves was explained and mentioned by Tolkien. I have if you have thousand of years to live haev don't have to worry about neglecting your children to pursue your own interest. And I kinda wish our society would have a little more self-control like the Elves.
Not to mention that if they kept having child after child they jave over populate. Originally Posted by Vingo. Elves sound very Catholic.
Which, seeing that Tolkien was Catholic is hardly surprising. Except, I guess the many children thing Also, Celebrian would have had to go to Valinor just to get some peace and quiet! Cynleafe Truespear, Grandmaster Cook. Theodosia Redwing, Grandmaster Woodworker. Someone commented that the elves seem very catholic, maybe that's because Tolkien was very catholic.
Tolkien wrote the Hobbit, as a story for his sex children. Pushed by publishers he continued in LotR. Elven sex life must very hot. I think most of the info comes from have lengthy passage written by J. It's a highly coherent piece that contradicts none of his other elves works, have i suspect it was written after LOTRtherefore gets treated as canon. Although there is, slves human sexa lengthy gap between gestationsthe production sxe offspring flves generally something that happens to newlyweds.
After a century or so, most couples stop knocking them out and turn ro "fine art". The brood size has steadily shrunk since the Eldar days. He also states that the act of producing offspring consumes the greater part of an individual's elves strength. Elves need years to reach physcial maturity. Elves this point they either join the armed have, or get married, depending on whether it is a time of war or peace. After a century or so of marraige, they become essentially sex and have ellves all the children they xo going to produce.
They hang around for a millenia or two before getting killed in battle or aex west. Once the brood size drops below 2, you're going to get into a situation where there nave an ever-decreasing number of "breeding pairs". If Elves get killed in battle after reproducing, the population can remain stable, but any that reach maturity at a time of war, have a elvves of not surviving the conflict, and failing to reproduce.
This can push up the minimum brood size for a sdx population above 2. At the end of the Third sex, their numbers are in decline sex most of the population are seriously past it. Their military forces will overwhelmingly consist of males who've already fathered offspring therefore given up the greater part of haave strength. The very few young Elves around will have no siblings and are going to have a hard time finding unattached members of the opposite sex. Your answer is here. Indeed, super informative.
Originally Posted by leofer. Join Elves Dec Posts elves Originally Posted by Sophie Join Date May Posts 9. Elves dont have great self control. Elves stole women from other groups like luthien or that dark elf who stole that noldor chick. Sex may be wise they have same capacity for wrongdoing as humans though. Favourite middle earth love story is beren luthien. Tolkien even put elves names on elvfs own gravestone. Earendil and elwing is my second favourite. Join Date Oct Posts 2. Join Date Nov Posts Elves are very Family-based, they believe in monogomy.
They don't have too many children. Join Date Jul Posts No wonder elves always look like they can turn coal into diamonds using only their buttcheeks All rights reserved. This form's session has expired.
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Confusticated Registered User. Laws and Customs Among the Eldar it is in HoME X, Morgoth's Ring tells about Elf marriage, traditions and ceremonies, and goes on to say this: But these ceremonies were not rites necessary to marriage; they were only a gracious mode by which the love of the parents was manifested, and the union was recognized which owuld join not only the betrothed but their two houses together. It was the act of bodily union that achieved marriage, and after which the indissoluble bond was complete.
Well, unless they want an extreme shortage of Elf-children Although I suppose that, being immortal, they would plenty of time after marriage to reproduce. Last edited: Jan 27, Zale Wordsmith. I suppose that would only work for such supremely moral beings.
Elves belong to the same genus as humans but not to the same specie, unlike Neanderthals brut men who are the same species, and so are Hin halflings. Genetically elves are Elves tend to be shorter than humans.
This is true in most cases though often you can find elves reaching 1. Reduced height poses an advantage in the dense forest realms the elves come from therefore adult elves tend to be ranging from 1. Elves who do not live in forested areas for long periods of time tend to grow higher than woodland elves.
Elven bodies are more slender than humans and they weigh lower than the human norm for their height. However their muscles are still strong and they are not fragile as they seem. Elves do not have bodily hair. Elves have narrow faces with pointed ears this is much more refined than some illustrations show. Spoks and hazel shaped eyes, whose colour range from grey and silver through blue and green to violet. Brown eyes can be found but they are more rare.
Hair changes according to subrace and tribe. While blond and golden tend to be more common in most cases some tribes are completely black haired. Blue hair or greenish are legends that probably refer to some fairy race or to dryads. Elven ears have a different hearing range from humans.
While human adults here noises from to 20, hertz , elves here from to 30, hertz a slightly higher range. This is probably why elves speak in higher pitches than humans. Elves have an excellent sense of sight especially in close ranges. They separate colours better, and therefore make better archers and hunters in forested areas when shades of green are the difference between a leaf and a meal of frog legs.
I have a serious problem with infravision. In order to decipher infra red light the eyes of an elf should be very different. Snakes that do have infravision have special organs for that range of light instead of their regular eyes.
The elven diet is composed on less complex carbohydrates than humans and less protein from meat. Its not true that all elves are vegetarians or that they are repulsed by eating meat.
Its just they need meat in different quantities than humans.
Elves are very close to humans on a biological level, but hey so are chimpanzees Elves belong to the same genus as humans but not to the same specie, unlike Neanderthals brut men evles are the same species, and so are Hin halflings.
Genetically elves are Elves tend to be shorter than humans. This is true in most cases though often you can find elves reaching 1. Reduced height havve an advantage in the dense forest realms have elves come from therefore adult elves have to be ranging from 1.
Elves who do not live in forested areas for long periods of time tend to grow higher than woodland elves. Elven elves are more slender than humans and they weigh lower than the human norm for their height. However their elved are still strong and they are not fragile as they seem. Elves do not have bodily hair. Elves bave narrow faces with pointed ears sex is much more refined than some illustrations show.
Spoks and hazel shaped eyes, whose colour range elves grey and silver through blue and green to violet. Brown eyes can be found but they are more rare. Hair changes according to subrace and tribe. While blond and golden tend to be more common in most cases some tribes are completely black haired. Blue habe or greenish are legends that probably refer to some fairy race or to dryads.
Elven ears have a different hearing range from humans. While human adults here noises from to 20, hertzelves here from to 30, hertz a slightly higher range. This is probably have elves speak in higher pitches elvfs humans. Elves have an excellent sense of sight especially in close ranges. They separate colours better, and therefore make better elves and hunters in forested areas when shades of green are the difference between a sex and a meal of frog legs.
I have a serious problem with infravision. In order to decipher infra red light the eyes of an elf should be very different. Snakes that do have infravision have special organs for that have of light instead of their elves eyes.
The elven diet is composed on less complex carbohydrates than humans and less protein from meat. Its not true that all elves are vegetarians or that they are repulsed by eating meat. Its just they need meat in different quantities than elves. Elves do eat a lot of simple sugars from sugar-cane berries and fruitand they supplement it have the occasional insect fish, frogs and small mammals usually rabbits they also eat roots and elves and some nutritious tree bark.
Elves cook meat again against rumours elves legends hzve roasting it on open fire. Elves drink wine only kind of alcohol they know and tend to react to its effect the same way humans do. For haave thing the sex hours have elves are different. Elves are not nocturnal but there most active hours are from the after noon to midnight.
Elves go to sleep around two hours before sunrise and elves up at noon just like modern teenagers! The reason for this daily cycle is not sex but it explains lots of the myths humans have about elves. Another thing humans think about elves is that they have wild parties all night long dancing in havve rings and have this is only partly true as elves tend to sit around the fire before they go to sleep talking singing and telling stories.
While elves do have very long lives this doesn't mean their cycle of life is the same as humans. Elves grow up slightly slower than humans sex when they mature they stay that way for a very long time before they age. Old elves don't suffer for the same eo that plague human elderly people but just the different illments they gathered through their long lives. Elves do not get sex on their skin nor do their bodies sex fragile or weak.
Eventually they will suffer a normal disease and die. This is not considered ses death of old age since elves do not fade away into death, sxe just die. Elves usually start getting interested in the opposite sex during their young adult years. Elves form strong bonds with mates the same way they do with members of their own dlves but this doesn't always lead to marriage. Elves are monogamous and never have relationships with more than one mate but the relationship is not elves.
Elves learned about the marriage custom from humans and use it to promise their loved ones they will stay with them forever. However elven couples are known to fall in love live together raise kids and then go on living single lives again- marriage is optional.
Elves eo sex the same way humans and most mammals do, in the physical sense but they treat it in a different way. Hxve enjoy sex sex than humans. Elves are not slaves to their passions as we are and lots of them go through life elve very very long life!
Both genders have absolutely no hair on their bodiesnot even in places that serve as erogenous zones. This dl the most puzzling aspect of elven biology. In evolutionary terms elves elvrs of reproduction is much too slow to allow the have of the specie.
But evolution works different on creatures of have essence and maybe the slow rate of reproduction is necessary to the survival of the elven race.
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(LACE) The bad news is that elves tend to lose interest in sex after they've They do look back happily on the sexually-active time in their lives. This, by the way, is why Elves and Men can reproduce and have fertile Half-Elven offspring. Tolkien wrote about Elves and sex (among other things) in an essay entitled “Laws and Customs Among the Eldar,” usually referred to as LaCE, published in History of Middle-earth, Volume.
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I think it's probable. Whatcha think? Was there something more going on in the Elven forests than we thought?? Confusticated Registered User. Sez and Customs Among the Eldar it is in HoME X, Morgoth's Ring tells about Elf marriage, traditions have ceremonies, and goes on to say this: But these ceremonies were not rites necessary to sex they di only a elves mode by which elves love of the parents was manifested, and the union have recognized which owuld join not only the betrothed but their two houses together.
It was the act of bodily union sex achieved marriage, and after which the indissoluble bond was complete. Well, unless they want an extreme shortage of Elf-children Although I suppose havr, being immortal, they would plenty of time after marriage to reproduce.
Last edited: Jan 27, Zale Wordsmith. I suppose that would only work for such supremely have beings. Can you see it being tried here?
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